Wanda Maximoff's, aka The Scarlet Witch's, family tree officially confirmed by the creators of the upcoming VisionQuest series.
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esar242025-10-27 01:35
Nice, we finally got a near comic accurate Vision and Wanda family tree, all that left is just vision robot family and wanda's mother revealed as a witch.
Praetor_60402025-10-27 01:48
And her caretaker to be a cow
esar242025-10-27 01:51
It is nice that they reference this in wandavision, only as easter eggs though.
No_Bet_58902025-10-27 08:13
Can u quote it plz?I don’t remember easter eggs about this in the series
Apprehensive-Quit3532025-10-27 02:03
And her dad as Magneto.
I know they retconned it out but we all know it was a bad choice.
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 02:05
the only reason they retconned it out was to make it more like the MCU too
Federal-Captain11182025-10-27 02:39
So Ultron was 2015. Wasn't the retcon 2014?
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 02:42
i don't remeber but i think it was 2015.
but either way if it was 2014 they would've known they couldn't make them mutants
Federal-Captain11182025-10-27 02:43
I mean maybe?
I wouldn't be surprised if the comics division was not aware of the films division ideas.
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 02:44
except it was purely changed because of the Fox dispute and also to market the MCU
Federal-Captain11182025-10-27 02:45
People say that a lot. But I've never seen a source of that
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 02:55
ya because they never gave us an official answer as to why but those are the only reasons that make sense
Federal-Captain11182025-10-27 02:56
So that's not a source then.
EdwinMcduck2025-10-27 06:09
MCU Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver technically debuted in 2014 (in Winter Soldier).
Gobshite_2025-10-27 02:28
With Magneto being a survivor of WW2, he could be old enough to be Wanda's grandfather in the MCU? Same relationship and everything, just a "buffer parent" between them.
Apprehensive-Quit3532025-10-27 02:34
Just slow his aging or make him an external.
Butt__Sexington2025-10-27 07:54
Or just don't include him in this family tree.
Federal-Captain11182025-10-27 02:33
That's not a retcon. In the MCU, Magneto is not their father.
The retcon would to be to make Magneto their father
Comics do not equal MCU
Apprehensive-Quit3532025-10-27 02:34
Did you miss the part in the original comment where they said "comic accurate"?
Federal-Captain11182025-10-27 02:36
No I did not. But that is not relevant.
Yes, comic accurate, but that does not mean just because something happened in the comics does not mean it happened in the movie
Source material is one thing.
Apprehensive-Quit3532025-10-27 02:44
How is that not relevant when it's literally what this specific comment chain is about?
OP said they're close to making her comic accurate, I expanded on that specific point by a reference to the comics.
Federal-Captain11182025-10-27 02:47
Still not what a retcon is
Movies and comics are separate universes.
Comic accuracy does not mean retcon in a movie. That's called an adaptation. You're trying to agure two different media forms, where one is just picking and choosing different things to use.
T'Challa is dead in the movies, is that a retcon from the comics?
Apprehensive-Quit3532025-10-27 02:58
Sweetheart, read the comments before you respond.
OP and I were specifically talking about the comics and what changes would make it more comic accurate.
Federal-Captain11182025-10-27 03:00
Still not a retcon though
>Sweetheart, read the chain.
Don't talk down to people.
Ok-Relationship92742025-10-27 02:37
Doesn't seem like they did. Try reading their comment slowly.
robodrew2025-10-27 02:25
Apparently >!Jocasta!< is in VisionQuest
esar242025-10-27 06:51
Vision has no close relation with >!jocasta!< in comics though, I mean more like virginia, viv and viktor.
robodrew2025-10-27 15:24
Ahhh ok
vivianvisionsburner2025-10-27 01:36
This is really satisfying seeing it all laid out
So excited for VisionQuest and the family reunion(s) after
Proud-Concept-1902025-10-28 19:26
Looks like a house reunion of stark kids
UnicornButler2025-10-27 01:38
Why did they create original characters for the Maximoff parents? They’ve had so many possible parents in the comics that the MCU could have used. They should have just used Django Maximoff and his wife.
Midnight-Slam2025-10-27 01:42
What does it matter? They’re just there to be killed off.
UnicornButler2025-10-27 02:45
It doesn’t matter. It’s such a pointless deviation.
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 02:09
when were their names even revealed in the MCU?
juances192025-10-27 01:39
Is Vision more of an adoptive father considering Wanda magically impregnated herself in the hex? (and wow that's a weird sentence to say outloud)
Muted-Character-83212025-10-27 01:43
He is still their father at the end of the day. He helped Wanda through labor and Vision himself is the one who named Billy.
Hnro-422025-10-27 01:47
I feel like the kids are Visions kids by magic 90s sitcom rules created by Wanda.
Like yes she impregnated herself, but using Vision’s essence?
Genetically they aren’t clones of wanda because of their y chromosome for instance
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 02:08
i mean there's two things:
1. In the beginning of episode two it was hinted at they had sex
2. Wanda could've magically impregnated herself using Vision's brainwaves like in the comics, making him still the twins father
Successful-Topic88742025-10-27 02:19
I rewatched the series this weekend and Wanda makes it pretty clear that the kids are a combination of her and Vision. Even Agatha calls back to it in her show.
MySilverBurrito2025-10-27 11:39
Father who stepped up > step father
Gab_Rt2025-10-28 01:28
I don’t think she impregnated herself. She changed reality so that their sex produced a birth. He was a big part of it. They make a point of showing him running a lot in the show to resemble his kid.
ThyNameisJason02025-10-27 01:43
I'm still iffed about Django not being the father. Pietro's middle name is Django.
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 02:10
hopefully he's still not the father and we get Magneto as a dad
pennygirl1082025-10-27 01:47
Shouldn’t Jeff and Rebecca Kaplan and the shepherd parents be included as well as they are the twins real parents now.
CommunityHot92192025-10-27 01:48
I was hoping we'd get Viv Vision and such.
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 01:49
hopefully after secret wars those two parents are changed to step parents
oh also this just occurred to me: where are Morgan and Pepper?
Jedi_Master832025-10-27 01:55
I’m 100% certain they are going to retcon her history with Magneto being her father. The MCU 616 version.
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 02:03
like you agree or you disagree? i always get confused what exactly a retcon is: is it adding or taking away?
Skreamie2025-10-27 02:10
A retcon is changing something that's already preestablished
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 02:11
oh okay
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 02:05
oh and a new Lorna.
Iamtherealbuk2025-10-27 01:50
Only thing off about this is JARVIS not being included. He should be listed as a co-creator for Vision or at the very least be placed in the siblings category
Wompum2025-10-27 02:00
Both Jarvis and Ultron need to be both Tony's kid and and Vision's father. He's almost his own grandpa.
Yeomanroach2025-10-27 08:42
CaptHayfever2025-10-27 14:56
It sounds funny I know, but it really is so.
ForeverSwayze2025-10-27 13:26
Oh a lesson in not changing history from Mr. I’m My Own Grandpa
KlausKinki772025-10-27 21:30
He did the nasty in the pasty!
WhiteSriLankan2025-10-28 00:19
Verily! And that past nastification is what shields you from the brains!
deimosnight2025-10-28 03:11
"The Big Brain am winning again! I am the greetest! Mwahahahaha!! Now I am leaving Earth for no raisin!"
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 02:06
but JARVIS and VISION are the same person? he just rebranded. JARVIS is technically his dead name
mmmgilly2025-10-27 02:36
Just because he uses the same voice as jarvis does not make them the same person. JARVIS is an AI. Vision is a being, physically created by Cho, Ultron and the Mind Stone, with ultrons code being present, and JARVIS being thrown in on top, not replacing what was already there.
JARVIS was already a shell of his former self before he was uploaded to visions body.
JARVIS and FRIDAY more closely resemble each other than JARVIS and Vision.
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 02:42
except Jarvis was transferred into Vision. that was the whole point of Jarvis' role in that movie - to become Vision
Iamtherealbuk2025-10-27 02:58
In the movie Vision literally says “I’m not Jarvis” lol
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 03:23
then why cast the same actor to play essentially the exact same person with the exact same personality? it's the same character.
him saying "I'm not JARVIS" also just doesn't mean it's not the same person. it just means he's changed
Helpful-Idea-44852025-10-27 04:09
Jarvis & Vision aren’t at all the same character. Jarvis is just one part of what makes up Vision.
Admirable-Safety12132025-10-27 03:54
Digital Reincarnation, somethung something Digimon
chula1987052025-10-27 04:46
I don't care where Jarvis goes on the chart, it just feels wrong to leave him off.
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 04:47
ya just put Vision/J.A.R.V.I.S.
eagc72025-10-27 22:50
Based on what we know from VisionQuest they are going to treat Jarvis as a seperate from Vision since they got the actor who plays human Jarvis in Agent Carter to play his AI counterpart
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 22:55
or is he going to play the butler from the comics?
eagc72025-10-28 00:24
Its possible, though based on what we heard, he's gonna be the JARVIS ai rather than Edwin (Unless they are trying to hide the spoiler of Edwin showing up by saying he's playing the AI). But we shall see
redbeard89892025-10-27 02:27
And it needs to include the Mind Stone and its creators.
FeralPsychopath2025-10-27 02:27
I dunno isn’t Jarvis like his previous life?
I guess the closest is a co-creator but then isn’t the mind stone a similar factor?
DGSmith22025-10-27 07:22
No different to William and Billy.
FeralPsychopath2025-10-27 07:45
Correct! Transferred Soul line is perfect
atomcrafter2025-10-27 04:43
There should be a whole branch of Howard/Hank/ZOLA and JARVIS.
Man_Of_Frost2025-10-28 16:40
Exactly! How the hell do you leave JARVIS out of Vision's creation process? This doesn't really look official.
Moustache-Jesus2025-10-31 12:18
JarVision
Atom74562025-10-27 01:50
Show bouta be so peak
WiccanUpdates2025-10-27 01:51
What do you mean "confirmed by the creators"? Did someone publish this or comment on it?
(Also Rebecca and Jeff Kaplan should be on here technically for William)
SharpshootinTearaway2025-10-27 01:59
Only thing I'm thinking of is Terry Matalas and Paul Bettany explaining in several interviews recently that Vision Quest is a show about fathers and sons, and the teaser shown at NYCC having Ultron congratulating Vision for being the father of a baby boy upon discovering Tommy's existence.
But it only confirms Ultron, Vision and Tommy (and indirectly Billy and Wanda) as considering each other part of the same family tree.
It's still unclear how Vision sees the other AI, as well as where Tony and Bruce fit into this.
twentyitalians2025-10-27 01:51
Ordinary-Chain-80472025-10-27 01:58
I take it the bottom two are in Agatha?
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 02:10
Billy is. Tommy's actor was revealed tho
MMA7712025-10-27 02:03
Scarlet and Quiksilver were originally Magneto’s twins. They should stick to that arc if anything. Lol
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 02:11
except they couldn't do that in the MCU. hopefully after secret wars they make those two Wanda and Pietro's step parents
benjaminsix62025-10-27 02:17
they really could tho if they wanted to
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 02:33
nah. let the Maximoffs mutants
Butt__Sexington2025-10-27 07:57
They couldn't at the time and now so much time has passed that unless they are wanting to really go down that rabbit hole there is not much point.
Newtype8792025-10-27 02:03
This chart is JARVIS erasure!
Least_Rain80272025-10-27 02:10
stop using Vision's dead name
Helpful-Idea-44852025-10-27 04:13
That isn’t Vision’s dead name. Jarvis & Vision aren’t completely separate characters.
rynram2025-10-27 02:08
jarvis??!
IcyKape2025-10-27 02:19
This is Butterfingers erasure and I won't stand for it
DuckyHornet2025-10-27 02:23
I just watched AoU like two months ago and I'm very confused why Thor is in this chart. What am I forgetting?
jtfjtf2025-10-27 09:19
He provided the lightning that powered Vision to life
ShowBoobsPls2025-10-27 23:10
Might as well list the electricity company Avengers Tower had
IAmTheZeke2025-10-27 23:18
That would be Thor Odinson Co
icorrectpettydetails2025-10-28 02:20
That's more like being a midwife.
Purpledolphy2025-10-27 02:38
YES! I love looking at people’s interpretations of the Maximoff family tree. I made my own version of the tree back when Agatha All Along came out- somehow I have managed to link around 175 people on that gosh darn tree LMAOOO
It may not be accurate, but I’m so proud of it :,)
JeepersMysster2025-10-27 02:43
I can’t believe Billy and Tommy are direct descendants of Howard Stark 😂
Blakendeker2025-10-27 02:46
Was Thor really a co creator? Only thing he did was juicing up Vision.
DANKS0N2025-10-27 06:07
Fathers typically only provide the “juice”
grafiklit2025-10-29 02:20
Gallaviching2025-10-31 06:48
I just recently rewatched aou and had completely forgot Thor had anything to do with creating Vision. I would say so. Vision was worthy enough to weld Mjölnir and gave himself a cape to emulate Thor, so he definitely looks up to him, like a kid copying their dad.
max10012025-10-27 02:56
Did Vision really co created the twins? Is it all Wanda?
Comfortable-Touch3562025-10-27 03:25
What about jarvis
exaviyur2025-10-27 03:39
So Vision and Morgan and Skaar are half siblings?
stormantic2025-10-27 06:28
BRING BACK PIETRO
QuicksilverSpeedyBoi2025-10-29 20:02
Listen to this guy right here
TheJack0fDiamonds2025-10-27 06:42
I don’t think many people grasp how truly peak it is that they have Elizabeth Olsen and had ATJ as the actors for the live action adaptation of one Marvel’s most iconic twin siblings. Seeing them side by side in the family tree made me wonder just how insane it could be to have them both together. Their decision to off Pietro in AOU will always be one of their biggest mistakes to me personally.
EmeraldEmp2025-10-27 06:51
This is just about the only thing left in the MCU I'm excited about.
Volrath123452025-10-27 08:12
Interesting, doesn't say offspring or children so if they wanna make magneto wanda's father they still can i guess and have these people be the adoptive parents.
BambooSound2025-10-27 09:43
Taking this as confirmation Amadeus Cho is gonna be in VisionQuest
jalabi992025-10-27 09:46
What about Magneto?...
ohmeohmyelliejean2025-10-27 11:51
Glad to see Helen Cho represented. Vision, call your goddamn mother!
supernaturalanaesthe2025-10-27 13:50
Weird how they misspelled “Magneto” for Wanda’s father. I will die on this hill. Fix it, Marvel.
zlmb5_2025-10-27 14:06
Please could you make an extended version showing the family of Bruce, cho and Tony?
NewWorldMan652025-10-27 14:21
Vision and Karen are married irl.
_StrangeIsLife_2025-10-27 17:56
Did i miss Tommy being reborn or is that yet to come? If there's already a face for him, where did that come from?
CamyReem2025-10-27 20:44
In Agatha All Along episode 8, Agatha guides Billy to help put Tommy's soul in a new body but we don't see his face. But the Vision Quest teaser revealed who the Tommy actor is.
eagc72025-10-27 22:47
It happens in episode 8 of Agatha
CamyReem2025-10-27 20:38
Don't forget the parents of William Kaplan and Tommy Shepherd lol
HereForGoodReddit2025-10-27 21:27
Wait, did Billy coincidentally jump into a dead boy named William *and also* Tommy was sent into a boy named Tommy?
eagc72025-10-27 22:47
Pretty much
TripleTesty2025-10-27 22:18
Grandpa Stark has a ring to it
Great-Suspect-87632025-10-28 00:07
the concept of vision having 4 dads
ragebaitlol2025-10-28 00:16
magneto 😢
SinginGidget2025-10-28 18:23
Vision has several parents. IMO Thanos and Thor are co-dads. (My headcanon is that even though it was not in his posession, the Mind Stone was still carrying out Thanos's commands to create chaos on Earth.) But at the very least, Thor for adding his godly power to allow the transfer to be complete. Oh, and Ultron. And Dr. Cho? It was her machine that gave him a body... So, Tony, Thor, Dr. Cho, Ultron, and maybe Thanos.
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I know they retconned it out but we all know it was a bad choice.
but either way if it was 2014 they would've known they couldn't make them mutants
I wouldn't be surprised if the comics division was not aware of the films division ideas.
The retcon would to be to make Magneto their father
Comics do not equal MCU
Yes, comic accurate, but that does not mean just because something happened in the comics does not mean it happened in the movie
Source material is one thing.
OP said they're close to making her comic accurate, I expanded on that specific point by a reference to the comics.
Movies and comics are separate universes.
Comic accuracy does not mean retcon in a movie. That's called an adaptation. You're trying to agure two different media forms, where one is just picking and choosing different things to use.
T'Challa is dead in the movies, is that a retcon from the comics?
OP and I were specifically talking about the comics and what changes would make it more comic accurate.
>Sweetheart, read the chain.
Don't talk down to people.
So excited for VisionQuest and the family reunion(s) after
Like yes she impregnated herself, but using Vision’s essence?
Genetically they aren’t clones of wanda because of their y chromosome for instance
1. In the beginning of episode two it was hinted at they had sex
2. Wanda could've magically impregnated herself using Vision's brainwaves like in the comics, making him still the twins father
oh also this just occurred to me: where are Morgan and Pepper?
JARVIS was already a shell of his former self before he was uploaded to visions body.
JARVIS and FRIDAY more closely resemble each other than JARVIS and Vision.
him saying "I'm not JARVIS" also just doesn't mean it's not the same person. it just means he's changed
I guess the closest is a co-creator but then isn’t the mind stone a similar factor?
(Also Rebecca and Jeff Kaplan should be on here technically for William)
But it only confirms Ultron, Vision and Tommy (and indirectly Billy and Wanda) as considering each other part of the same family tree.
It's still unclear how Vision sees the other AI, as well as where Tony and Bruce fit into this.
It may not be accurate, but I’m so proud of it :,)
